This new article in CJR by Gerald Eskenazi on the fine art of reading the moment and asking the right question in an interview starts with Donald Trump and ends with Muhammad Ali.

Never thought I’d see those two names in print together. But Eskenazi has the skill to do it and make it seem normal. He’s a master sportswriter with 16 books to his name and as everyone likes to quote, 8,000 bylines for The New York Times. He’s also written three other informative and entertaining essays for CJR you can see here and dabbles in first person travel stories.

“I have come to realize that people—no matter their status—have a part of them that needs to be stroked. And my job was to find that part,” Eskenazi writes in his article.